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Droid Works
04-29-2008, 10:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLVa9U-bnK0
Maybe we may start seeing Bioloids in fighting comp now :)

tom_chang79
04-29-2008, 10:17 AM
I thought I saw a Bioloid in a gallery of a competition once... I think it was a Robogames, 2007 was it? I think it placed third or something...

It would be awesome to see some Bioloids in action, their servos are more then capable right out of the box. Just needs more software work done on it to make it more nimble. Possibly a bigger feet, as big as the rules allow...

Droid Works
05-01-2008, 07:38 AM
This video makes me want to get a bioloid. I think I may buy one for my self on my next order.

tom_chang79
05-01-2008, 10:02 AM
Don't you have a KHR-1HV Droid Works? I think the Bioloid is the biggest bang for the buck, plus it comes with the strongest/torqiest (is that a word?) servos compared to the rest of the bipeds, but why not spend the money on stronger Kondo servos for your 1HV then on a Bioloid (unless I'm mistaken and your Kondo is already a torque monster)? Well, I suppose if you buy the Bioloid, you can make your Kondo and Bioloid fight!

The Bioloid is a good buy and a solid design IMO. The fact that it had two servos/two DOFs on the same axis (ankle and hip area of the humanoid configuration) and their awesome servo is what really sold me on this kit.

Well, if you decide to buy a Bioloid, come join me on the thread I started:

http://forums.trossenrobotics.com/showthread.php?t=1437

Lots of great info there. Hope to see you in the Bioloid community!

Droid Works
05-01-2008, 11:02 AM
I have a few humanoids, the 1HV is my fav but I plan to eventually collect them all.

tom_chang79
05-02-2008, 02:26 AM
Can never have enough humanoids or robots in general! The more robots, the merrier! :)

Wingzero01w
05-02-2008, 06:40 PM
Yeah i gotta find the money for the Bioloid... That'll have to come later since i gotta pick up the new iphone first :D:D:D and then make robot control apps for it.

I wonder why people dont use bioloid in more competitions? They have the most torque out of many servos and their speed is decent...

I wonder if there gonna have next gen bioloids... they've been out for awhile... cuz i hate it when i get something, and immediately a new and better version of the same product comes out.

Droid Works
05-02-2008, 08:13 PM
I wonder why people dont use bioloid in more competitions? They have the most torque out of many servos and their speed is decent...


2 reasons.
1 no good R/C control
2 very difficult to create new motions.

but now there is a way to use R/C, lets see if creating motion files gets easier.

tom_chang79
05-02-2008, 09:18 PM
How are the motions created in other humanoids such as for the Kondos and the Robonovas? I thought the Bioloid's Motion Editor was nearly equivalent to those packaged into other bots...

Droid Works
05-02-2008, 09:22 PM
Robonova has the best with catch and play. But with the nova and KHR your can make any motion you can think of. From what I have heard about the bioloid you are for the most part stuck stringing caned motions together them make motion files unless you crate you own which I heard is a big pain.

trey3670
05-02-2008, 10:43 PM
bioloid also has a capture mode

Droid Works
05-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Here is a thread that best describes what I am talking about, and saves me some typing..lol

http://forums.trossenrobotics.com/showthread.php?t=1278

tom_chang79
05-03-2008, 01:45 AM
Ahh, that thread. I always thought that the topic or the question in that thread can be applied to any of the bots that uses some motion editor/catch-and-play software...

I've looked at the catch-and-play on the Robonovas and even on the Futaba's RBT-1's suite and they all seem to have the basic functions. The motion editor in my opinion, is no different, you painstakingly create little poses like as you would to make a gumby episode, then you just link them to create a motion. Of course, most people that uses the Bioloid went the ways of the robot terminal because it was so much faster to manipulate with the keyboard then keyboard+mouse combo...

I personally love using the terminal because I believe that I get things done faster if my hands never leave the keyboard just to click...

Droid Works
05-08-2008, 06:58 AM
Well I made up my mind. I am going to buy a bioloid next week when I order the parts for my PC robot. All the new items and R/C control makes a bioloid very powerful and versatile bot.

tom_chang79
05-09-2008, 01:09 AM
Yeah, the Bioloid is a great bot. I've only played with the humanoid configuration, but that's what I bought it for primarily, a humanoid bot with powerful servos right out of the box. The load, temperature, and other sensors inside each of the AX-12+ is a plus too...

Which configuration are you planning on playing with? I'm assuming you're going to configure it as a humanoid? I'm planning on loctite-ing mine in the near future with my blue loctite to make it some-what permanent. Don't know if I will use the red and permanently lock it down...

Now where did I put my blue loctite... Haven't used it in a while, hopefully I sealed it good and it didn't solidify... ;)

Droid Works
05-09-2008, 06:41 AM
Yeah, the Bioloid is a great bot. I've only played with the humanoid configuration, but that's what I bought it for primarily, a humanoid bot with powerful servos right out of the box. The load, temperature, and other sensors inside each of the AX-12+ is a plus too...

Which configuration are you planning on playing with? I'm assuming you're going to configure it as a humanoid? I'm planning on loctite-ing mine in the near future with my blue loctite to make it some-what permanent. Don't know if I will use the red and permanently lock it down...

Now where did I put my blue loctite... Haven't used it in a while, hopefully I sealed it good and it didn't solidify... ;)

Im going to use the humanoid configuration. I am probably going to buy the metal brackets and make a new upper body on my CNC. Then get a programmable remote and see how well he fights with my 1HV. If he does well I may enter him in the robogames next year.

Droid Works
05-09-2008, 08:08 AM
I just ordered my bioloid about 30 sec ago. I cant wait to start tinkering with him:)

Droid Works
05-09-2008, 08:54 AM
Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWgLwaLKevo

Adrenalynn
05-09-2008, 10:34 AM
Even the East German judge gave that routine a 9.9! ;)

LinuxGuy
05-09-2008, 01:36 PM
I would love to have a small agile biped like this to show when I do my Gadget Guy thing at a local care center. I also help with Bingo there once a week.

Exactly how programmable is this robot? Can it be hacked? Has it been hacked? I must know! :D

8-Dale

Adrenalynn
05-09-2008, 02:12 PM
Fully programmable to the n'th degree. You could make it play BINGO and stamp the cards if you wanted...

tom_chang79
05-09-2008, 10:36 PM
droid works, that video is probably the best bioloid humanoid acrobatic routine I've ever seen. The metal brackets and the custom hands and torso are a plus too, I'm guessing those were probably self-made or made from someone with a CNC mill and break.

dale, these bots are fully programmable. There's a whole wiki on how to use gcc instead of the GUI-based behavior control program...

Not to mention the servos are 200+ oz-in right out of the box, load sensor, temp sensor, etc... each servo has an atmega8 inside and you communicate through a 3-wire TTL serial interface. It's similar to I2C where you are communicating through sending and receiving packets and basically bit banging, but there is no clock...

I can't wait for the CrustCrawler's brackets. Thinking about updating mine with some aluminum bracket when they do come out...

Droid Works
05-09-2008, 11:21 PM
This video and the R/C video are what sealed the deal for me buying a bioloid. I planed on getting one anyway after seeing the r/c video, but after seeing this one. I ordered my bioloid 30 sec later..lol

trey3670
05-09-2008, 11:45 PM
well from what I have read it can be hacked to your hearts desire,I personally have not,check out huv robotics for some cool stuff. as for programming yeah you can make it do just about anything,there is a vid of a bio playing soccer somewhere thats impresive

Wingzero01w
05-09-2008, 11:45 PM
Tom,

Im thinking about buying some of those crustcrawler brackets too instead of getting a bioloid kit, i plan on making a quadropod with the ax-12's. Though im not sure which would be easier on the bank account. I think it would also be cool if crustcrawler made a low profile axis.

I also think its really neat the ax-12's are using an atmega8 in each casing, this makes it even more intellegent then most servos. But incase anybodies wondering... Hitec has there 7xxx line of servos out now, though it only looks like they've improved the circuits to the next level from the 5xxx line. Some features include better resolution/failsafes.

And whoever made those mod's to the bioloid, kudos to you because that was an excellent routine.

LinuxGuy
05-11-2008, 01:27 PM
I also think its really neat the ax-12's are using an atmega8 in each casing, this makes it even more intellegent then most servos.
Are you aware of the Open Servo (http://www.openservo.org) project?

This basically replaces the electronics in standard servos with completely new electronics. Note also that the Hitec HS-645MG (Analog) is the same inside as the HS-5645 (Digital) except for the electronics. Anyone who is able to dismantle, replace electronics, and get it all back together and working should check out Open Servo (http://www.openservo.org/)s. There are many very cool features to be tinkered with here and development is very active. Some soldering is required to do this upgrade.

8-Dale

Wingzero01w
05-11-2008, 02:27 PM
I have checked out the open servos before but i think i dont fully understand them. I guess im missing the point of making one of these open servos instead of buying a digital servo. The features i saw on the open servo are about the same as the high end hitecs and the dynamixels

Adrenalynn
05-11-2008, 02:44 PM
Weren't you the one saying he wanted to design his own servo?

Wingzero01w
05-11-2008, 03:27 PM
From scratch, get the motor, make the case, gear it, and make my own controller board; but thats not for a long long time.

I guess the openservo would be good for a person who would like more features into a servo without buying a new one. I guess ill have to buy one and find out. But they are expensive at about $30 USD a pop.

Adrenalynn
05-11-2008, 03:31 PM
So don't you think that reading through an open-source project would be a good learning experience?

Wingzero01w
05-11-2008, 04:26 PM
I didn't say it wouldn't be a good learning experience, i think it would be a very good one. After reading more on the project i realize that it offers alot more control and features, and i shouldn't have compared these to the controllers on the hitecs/dynamixels because these are customizable along with their own software. I apologize for making wrong assumptions of the open servo :(.

LinuxGuy
05-11-2008, 09:46 PM
I guess the openservo would be good for a person who would like more features into a servo without buying a new one. I guess ill have to buy one and find out. But they are expensive at about $30 USD a pop.
I think you are missing the whole idea of the Open Servo (http://http://www.openservo.org) project. It's all Open Source, both hardware and software and gives functions that go far beyond what you will find in any current hobby servo. You get to look at and tinker with all the software and hardware.

That $30.00 just gets you the Open Servo (http://http//www.openservo.org) board. You still have to get a servo to convert. The project is very much alive and well, and new stuff is being worked on all the time. In fact, the Open Servo (http://http//www.openservo.org) can be used as a motor controller by itself for some motors. All hobby servos have a motor in them. :veryhappy: In fact, they are already being used in some commercial projects.

8-Dale

Wingzero01w
05-11-2008, 09:56 PM
I think tommorow ill place an order for one. Sorry i missed the point of it, i got to learn to read deeper into projects like that. And it able to control motors is definitely a big plus for a project i want to work on, what motors does it work with?

LinuxGuy
05-11-2008, 10:17 PM
I think tommorow ill place an order for one. Sorry i missed the point of it, i got to learn to read deeper into projects like that. And it able to control motors is definitely a big plus for a project i want to work on, what motors does it work with?
The motors that can be run are based on the load capacity of the controller/Open Servo. I'm not sure what the current maximum current rating on the new V3 Open Servo (http://www.openservo.org) boards are. Remember, Open Servo (http://www.openservo.org/)s are completely OPEN Source, hardware and software, so both can be changed to create a completely new derivative design.

8-Dale

Wingzero01w
05-11-2008, 10:24 PM
The motors that can be run are based on the load capacity of the controller/Open Servo. I'm not sure what the current maximum current rating on the new V3 Open Servo (http://www.openservo.org) boards are. Remember, Open Servo (http://www.openservo.org/)s are completely OPEN Source, hardware and software, so both can be changed to create a completely new derivative design.

8-Dale

Hey,

Thanks for bringing these up, if these can act as their complete own controller, than can they control other servo's aswell?

Adrenalynn
05-12-2008, 12:55 AM
From a quickie look at the schematic, it would appear they're using an IRF7309. That's a 3A MOSFET as memory serves. 30v absolute max @ 3A. So, if it were heat-sinked, you could probably get away with 5A @ 12v. I'd personally spec it as a 3A @ 12v h-bridge myself and leave my safety margin alone...

I just ordered a handful (5x) 160A @ 36v motor controllers. :D

Droid Works
05-14-2008, 07:57 PM
Well I got my bioloid in the mail yesterday. He is built and programed. I have to say he is a very impressive little guy. Next I want to hook a ps controller to him and write some fighting motions and see how long he will last against my 1Hv then mod the heck out of him...lol

Adrenalynn
05-15-2008, 12:27 AM
If I wore a hat, I'd doff it in your honor, Droid. I can't imagine putting a bioloid together in one evening to be anything but daunting. I'm appropriately humbled.

tom_chang79
05-15-2008, 01:07 AM
I can't agree more with Adrenalynn, how you managed to build the humanoid in one day and have it working... You must not sleep! You must be a robot! :p

Droid Works
05-15-2008, 01:46 AM
I have put allot of humanoids together so im kinda used to it now...lol And the bioloid was a nice surprise, it was very very easy to assemble and program. But then again I am used to putting together 1HV's and 2HV's so i suppose anything is easier than a 1HV..lol It only took me about 4hours so it wasn't that bad. The 1HV takes me about 2 hours to build and a day to program. But I am very glad I got a bioloid so far he is very fun to play with.

tom_chang79
05-15-2008, 03:00 AM
at 200+ oz-in per servo, you may need to have your 1hv and 2hv team up to beat up a bioloid! ;)

Droid Works
05-15-2008, 06:23 AM
It would take allot of mods and allot of new motions to make my bioloid stand a chance against my 1HV..lol Maybe after the robogames I will start moding my bioloid.

Droid Works
05-22-2008, 06:01 PM
YouTube - Robot Bioloid Chiquilicuatre bailando el chiki-chiki
lol

Droid Works
05-27-2008, 07:54 PM
I just uploaded the bioloid R/C program to the downloads section if anyone wants it:)

Alex
05-28-2008, 10:26 AM
Awesome Droid, thanks! Once I get back from RoboGames, I'm going to have to check out all the cool stuff you've uploaded (http://forums.trossenrobotics.com/downloads.php).

tom_chang79
05-29-2008, 02:38 AM
Droid Works + Bioloid = Beware all of you Bioloid competitors! You planning on doing any aesthetic mod to your Bioloid? So far, I've only placed two stickers on it ;P

Droid Works
05-29-2008, 06:33 AM
Droid Works + Bioloid = Beware all of you Bioloid competitors! You planning on doing any aesthetic mod to your Bioloid? So far, I've only placed two stickers on it ;P
I already started moding him...lol