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DAPP
09-03-2008, 11:31 AM
Hi,

i'm new to the forum, and i'm from Europe.

I'm starting building a x86 robot to use as testing platform for AI related tasks.
I was oriented towards a Mini-itx, but the SLA batteries are a big problems (weight).
Via Pico-itx ...m i don't like the VIA c7 processor...

Today my RSS client found a important news...an Atom based pico-itx board,
with V5 input, (this is the link
http://www.pervasiverobotics.com/en/post/9/a_perfect_atom_based_picoitx_board_for_robotics
)

With this pico-itx board can i avoid the SLA batteries and use a more light power pack ?
I read on the forum that even if Atom has a low TPD, other chipsets requires a lot of W,
so before order the board (if possible) it's better to know as this sounds to experts.

Thank you,
this forum rocks.

Adrenalynn
09-03-2008, 12:43 PM
Wow! A Z530? Great find! More power-hungry than the C7, but delivering almost double the overall processing power - for vision-based apps, it's probably well worth the trade. Four USB hubs + 2 real serial ports - that's a lot of input potential packed into that little space.

The trick to using lighter batteries will be getting a Wide Input power supply that will handle the current draw. So we need to know what the current draw is.

Manufacturers page here: http://axiomtek.com/Products/ViewProduct.asp?view=680
Datasheet here: http://axiomtek.com/Download/Spec/pico820.pdf

No current draw or more than basic environmentals in either spot. Would you drop Axiomtek a note here: http://axiomtek.com/inquiry/proinq.asp and ask them "5vDC at what current draw? [max and sustained]", then post back?

Oh, btw, Welcome to the TRC! :D

DresnerRobotics
09-03-2008, 01:46 PM
From the early benchmarks I saw, the Atom isn't as powerful as the C7 and draws more power. I'll try to find the write-up I saw.

4mem8
09-03-2008, 01:59 PM
M'mmmm interesting board, I think I still like my pico ITX though and it's flexible power supply. More power for video is nice though.

Adrenalynn
09-03-2008, 03:23 PM
I'd need to see those benchmarks. Hyperthreaded P4 losing to a C7? In what benches?

TIA for info!

DresnerRobotics
09-03-2008, 03:59 PM
My mistake, it was a VIA Nano which is the successor to the C7, but it does whoop the hell out of the Atom.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUzNSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Oh and my Intel buddies would cry at you calling their Atom a P4 :p

Adrenalynn
09-03-2008, 04:12 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having a 1.8Ghz C7 Nano instead of a 1.6Ghz Atom either. Especially if the nano drew less power and fit on the same board. . . ;)

Looking at those benches, I'm under-impressed with both of them for handling tough problems. I'd rather spend 4x the wattage. :)

sam
09-03-2008, 05:27 PM
But do both come with a Pico-ITX computer with them? Interestign article. But the Nano looks much bigger... :confused: Is it just to compare them?

DresnerRobotics
09-03-2008, 05:37 PM
The benchmarks aren't in regard to any pico boards, just the Nano and Atom processor.

robot maker
09-03-2008, 06:07 PM
i wounder how much it costs and when can we buy it,looks like a very good find

Adrenalynn
09-03-2008, 06:41 PM
You can start loading-up on the 1.5Ghz Nano ITX in about three years ... ago...

robot maker
09-03-2008, 07:45 PM
i meen the new atom board

You can start loading-up on the 1.5Ghz Nano ITX in about three years ... ago...

DAPP
09-04-2008, 10:25 AM
>No current draw or more than basic environmentals in either spot. Would you drop Axiomtek a note here: >http://axiomtek.com/inquiry/proinq.asp and ask them "5vDC at what current draw? [max and sustained]", then post >back?

Ok, but i don't think they are interested in a single robot builder question. Meanwhile if any find this
information on internet please post share here.

Some have built robots on Via C7 Pico-itx, how are the performances in terms of battery duration and CPU power ? I have in mind to use the Pico-itx board to get the video and the audio streams for attached webcams and to send these to a pc cluster for video and audio processing. I prefer Atom for more CPU power to have 30fps video and 64k audio streaming.

The software platform is java-based.

Last note: i work on linux and windows, it's interesting to have a Dual-boot Mobile Robot, but i don't know
if it is possible to run WinXP on this Pico-itx.

DresnerRobotics
09-04-2008, 10:54 AM
>No current draw or more than basic environmentals in either spot. Would you drop Axiomtek a note here: >http://axiomtek.com/inquiry/proinq.asp and ask them "5vDC at what current draw? [max and sustained]", then post >back?

Ok, but i don't think they are interested in a single robot builder question. Meanwhile if any find this
information on internet please post share here.

Some have built robots on Via C7 Pico-itx, how are the performances in terms of battery duration and CPU power ? I have in mind to use the Pico-itx board to get the video and the audio streams for attached webcams and to send these to a pc cluster for video and audio processing. I prefer Atom for more CPU power to have 30fps video and 64k audio streaming.

The software platform is java-based.

Last note: i work on linux and windows, it's interesting to have a Dual-boot Mobile Robot, but i don't know
if it is possible to run WinXP on this Pico-itx.

You can definitely run Windows XP on any pico-itx board mentioned. The pico-itx 1ghz C7 draws about 15w, so with a 9.6v 4200 mAh I get about 90-100 minutes of runtime (due to extra peripherals such as USB devices, HDD, etc). It's powerful enough for vision processing as well, one thing most people don't realize is you don't really need high res video for the majority of 'hobby level' machine vision applications.

robot maker
09-04-2008, 12:14 PM
ihave pic-itx board,2 of them and another on order,and bost run xp pro stripped
reason why its stripped to have more room on my flash card,latter on using solid state drives
if you ever add flash cards or ssd ,make shore you read onfo on making it work
i posted 2 links about it in another post
also make shore you read up on how to disable the page or will fried your memory card

also looking at dual booting with linux


>No current draw or more than basic environmentals in either spot. Would you drop Axiomtek a note here: >http://axiomtek.com/inquiry/proinq.asp and ask them "5vDC at what current draw? [max and sustained]", then post >back?

Ok, but i don't think they are interested in a single robot builder question. Meanwhile if any find this
information on internet please post share here.

Some have built robots on Via C7 Pico-itx, how are the performances in terms of battery duration and CPU power ? I have in mind to use the Pico-itx board to get the video and the audio streams for attached webcams and to send these to a pc cluster for video and audio processing. I prefer Atom for more CPU power to have 30fps video and 64k audio streaming.

The software platform is java-based.

Last note: i work on linux and windows, it's interesting to have a Dual-boot Mobile Robot, but i don't know
if it is possible to run WinXP on this Pico-itx.

robot maker
09-05-2008, 11:45 AM
i found a better board for robots with 4 hours run time,2 lbs 1.6 mhz up to 1 gig ram,solid state drive ,dell laptop mini,atom processor,wireless network mini card,and linux or windows xp all for $399 inspiron mini 9,size is fairly small 9.13 " by 6.77" by 1.07" dont need to buy harddrive,or software,or cables,look fairly easy to mount and lcd screen and has a web cam,i am going to pre order 1 or 2
with all the hard drive to hook up and cables and mounting of the pico-itx board and more ,plus all costs this looks like best idea for robots