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RevBryce
07-20-2009, 02:52 AM
G`day everyone.
Is anyone doing the mech thing in melbourne....Australia.?????
In fact anywhere in the land of Oz???
Thanks
RevBryce

Buckbot
07-20-2009, 03:34 AM
Hi , I'm in Maclean , NSW ... 'Mechs' , not yet ... 'Robotics' , DEFINATELY ( + a venture into CNC Lasers / machining ) ... Welcome ... There are a lot of very Talented people here ( in all disciplines ) and I think even a couple from our side of the planet ... ENJOY

Noodle
07-20-2009, 04:13 AM
Good evening kind sir.

I'm Noodle, up in Brisneyland/Brisvegas/Brisbane, Queensland. I don't believe there is a mech warfare comp down in Melbourne, but I have been wrong before (it was oh so embarrasing.)

~Noodle.

Adrenalynn
07-20-2009, 04:16 AM
Currently only in California with plans for Illinois, USA last I heard.

I'm sure Tyberius (http://forums.trossenrobotics.com/member.php?u=1492)would listen to proposals for licensing the event from him for a territory though...

Noodle
07-21-2009, 01:11 AM
Currently only in California with plans for Illinois, USA last I heard.

I'm sure Tyberius (http://forums.trossenrobotics.com/member.php?u=1492)would listen to proposals for licensing the event from him for a territory though...
It wouldn't be able to go ahead. It really wouldn't. There is no amateur robotics scene in Australia or NZ. And we have a handful of terrible distributors to buy our stock from.

Adrenalynn
07-21-2009, 01:49 AM
Sounds like an opportunity to me. Trossen has a reseller program (http://www.trossenrobotics.com/robot-supplier-reseller.aspx).

Noodle
07-21-2009, 06:09 AM
Sounds like an opportunity to me. Trossen has a reseller program (http://www.trossenrobotics.com/robot-supplier-reseller.aspx).
Please note that we cannot accept International reseller requests at this time.

Hmm. That could be a problem. I'd be interested in at least reselling some stock if there was a demand. Elios and I will start a Aus/NZ company.

Adrenalynn
07-21-2009, 06:55 AM
Everything in this world is negotiable.

Some see impediments, some see opportunities.

Noodle
07-21-2009, 07:12 AM
Everything in this world is negotiable.

Some see impediments, some see opportunities.
Well I don't know if they'd want a 16 year old reseller :)

Noodle
07-21-2009, 07:33 AM
Seriously contemplating starting to resell some stock even just on eBay for now, just to give Aussies and Kiwi's some good deals.

http://www.sgbotic.com has awesome prices. I can get a motor, mount, wheel and screw combo for about $10 AUD. That's EXTREMELY good.

RevBryce
08-08-2009, 10:22 PM
Well melbourne has part of a mech.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WxWkv6yyWGE/Sn5AKNLeTbI/AAAAAAAAAJk/4OFJ4nugUkc/s1600-h/IMAG0010.JPG
Going to set up a blue tooth link
today. i know bluetooths no good
for mech stuff but ive got the bits
already so for the moment it will do.
Also i was reading Aust gun laws
and i think airsoft are classed as firearms.
As in you need a licence.
If the barrel is to short its classed as
a pistol which is even worst.
But then the law basicly states
(1) In this Act:
"acquire" a firearm (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa1996102/s4.html#firearm) means purchase (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa1996102/s4.html#purchase), accept or receive, or otherwise take possession (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa1996102/s4a.html#possession) of, the firearm (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa1996102/s4.html#firearm), except for the purpose only of repairing it.
"air gun" means a gun that:
(a) can propel, or is designed to propel, a projectile:
(i) by means of any gas or mixture of gases, including air but not including a gas or mixture of gases generated by an explosive (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa1996102/s4.html#explosive), or
(ii) by means of a spring, and
(b) is operated or designed for operation by means of a trigger or similar device.


SO the question is .
Can i get away with a gun based on a solinoid hooked up to some caps and
just smaking the bb.
Would this work in the rules for us Australians?

http://shed-of-doom.blogspot.com/

Adrenalynn
08-08-2009, 10:58 PM
That's a question for a lawyer in Australia. To my knowledge, there isn't anyone here that can safely answer that question, and it's too serious a question to play at guessing the answer to.

RevBryce
08-08-2009, 11:05 PM
I didnt mean the rules here.
I have to speak with the local firearms officer anyway for another
project so i`ll see what they say about airsoft then.
No the question is about the mech warrior rules.
Would somthing like the soliniod idea work within
the rules aslong as it shoots the same as airsoft guns?

Noodle
08-09-2009, 12:07 AM
From my understanding, Airsoft is illegal in Aus. There were attempts last year to lobby to Parliament to allow Airsoft in Australia, under a certain power rating etc. However, there was not any more word on that from my memory and of course, they are still unable to be purchased in Australia, and illegal to bring back into the country without a firearms license.

lnxfergy
08-09-2009, 12:09 AM
I didnt mean the rules here.
I have to speak with the local firearms officer anyway for another
project so i`ll see what they say about airsoft then.
No the question is about the mech warrior rules.
Would somthing like the soliniod idea work within
the rules aslong as it shoots the same as airsoft guns?

If I correctly understand you, you intend to use a solenoid to meter out compressed gas, in other words, a CO2 gun, rather than an electric motor driven plunger-style actuator. This type of weapon would fall under the hardcore rules. Any weapon that carries compressed gases would be allowed only in the hardcore league. Airsoft league = electric airsoft guns only.

-Fergs

RevBryce
08-09-2009, 07:12 AM
Umm no.
I used to have a pistol that was like airsoft
but instead of air a plastic pin sort of thing
hit the back of what looked like a plastic
air gun slug.
Had about the same power as airsoft.
if i can get the same effect with round ammo
it might work.
sort of gets around the laws i think.
Worth an experiment.

mannyr7
08-09-2009, 12:57 PM
"air gun" means a gun that:
(a) can propel, or is designed to propel, a projectile:
(i) by means of any gas or mixture of gases, including air but not including a gas or mixture of gases generated by an explosive (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa1996102/s4.html#explosive), or
(ii) by means of a spring, and
(b) is operated or designed for operation by means of a trigger or similar device.


SO the question is .
Can i get away with a gun based on a solinoid hooked up to some caps and
just smaking the bb.
Would this work in the rules for us Australians?

http://shed-of-doom.blogspot.com/


I'm no lawyer but this would still be in violation of the law, as a projectile is fired by means of an electrical trigger. They really covered their bases with section (b)

Adrenalynn
08-09-2009, 01:55 PM
The question is whether that [and] is inclusive or exclusive. And the reason I won't "play lawyer" with something so serious.

Talk to a lawyer. My gut says "if Airsoft is illegal in your country then it's illegal"

- Adrena-"gun control means hitting your target"-Lynn

RevBryce
08-09-2009, 05:57 PM
I agree that talking to a lawer and the police is what i need to do.
Now i have a firearms licence so maybe i can get away with it in
the end, so the next question is,
Does anybody have any ideas for other weapons that people
here can use and still play here legaly.
Maybe a lazer tag type system?
Ideas anyone.?

mannyr7
08-10-2009, 01:24 AM
The question is whether that [and] is inclusive or exclusive. And the reason I won't "play lawyer" with something so serious.

Talk to a lawyer. My gut says "if Airsoft is illegal in your country then it's illegal"

- Adrena-"gun control means hitting your target"-Lynn

Yes, I agree. And a laser tag league would be cool till someone shows up with a bot covered in mirrored tape. :eek:

RevBryce
08-10-2009, 06:49 AM
Oh and with the lazers we have laws for them aswell.
Mirrored tape!!!
Think Sequins and a ball danceing routine.No thats just silly.
If the score units could be configered to score
pulsed and constant lazers with a smaller target
i think it could work.
oh and fireworks are out here so no missles.
I wonder how useable a mech with a bow and arrow would work?
hold on i have it!!!
i`ll just program it to throw the bbs.
or maybe two wheels like a ball thrower.
hmmmmmm.

darkback2
08-10-2009, 08:29 AM
why not just hack the old lazer tag (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=tiger+laser+tag&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=3401508911&ref=pd_sl_32ul2uxqaf_e) units?

DB

RevBryce
08-11-2009, 04:21 AM
If it comes to useing lazer tag units well...
Not half as much fun as shooting bbs
at least Aussies can still play sort of.
But then again watch them ban them aswell
just as i get the thing to work.

darkback2
08-11-2009, 04:29 PM
I would build a robot/mech with all of the capabilities except for the gun...Mount a wooden or plastic gun shaped block where your guns go with an LED in the front...Make sure everything works out...Then when you come over here you can swap out for a hacked defender gun...and be good to go!

Or...go the lazertag route...and just make the guns swappable...

Good times.

DB

mannyr7
08-11-2009, 06:19 PM
Oh and with the lazers we have laws for them aswell.
Mirrored tape!!!
Think Sequins and a ball danceing routine.No thats just silly.
If the score units could be configered to score
pulsed and constant lazers with a smaller target
i think it could work.
oh and fireworks are out here so no missles.
I wonder how useable a mech with a bow and arrow would work?
hold on i have it!!!
i`ll just program it to throw the bbs.
or maybe two wheels like a ball thrower.
hmmmmmm.

Wow, what do you guys do for fun? ;) Maybe you can make a mech that hurls harsh words, or is that banned too? :p But seriously, DB makes a good point. Make some wooden mockups of similar weight and size to the Defenders, which are available everywhere here. I have FOUR Walmarts within a ten-mile radius of my house!!! Rig up your ss relays to trigger a couple 6V motors to simulate the current draw, and your set for the modern day American wild west! :veryhappy:

Adrenalynn
08-11-2009, 08:18 PM
Just be sure to wear safety glasses and heavy gloves. If one of those dowels swings around and pokes you in the eye, or you get a splinter from one - well we're just gonna have to ban wooden dowels too!

[Ok. Sorry. It was an easy cheapshot. I won't write anything else in that vein. In fact, I'm sending myself a moderator warning for it right now...]

Noodle
08-11-2009, 10:18 PM
And people wonder why I want to get out of this country.

Rev, focus on getting a mech that can carry a payload walking well first.

lnxfergy
08-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Rev, focus on getting a mech that can carry a payload walking well first.

best advice anyone can give, ever, on the topic of mech warfare. +rep.

-Fergs

RevBryce
08-12-2009, 04:47 AM
Ahh the problem of getting my mech to work with fake guns isnt a problem .
I already have two of the tank guns and a couple of pistols (shhh dont tell )
They`re not that hard to get here.
The real problem would be at an event.
The last thing we need is a bust .
But then again the mechs could hold them off so the we could escape.:veryhappy:
Hows the situation in other places, like UK?
Australia can`t be the only place with messed up laws.
And my mech walks....sort of just need to get rid of the damed
serial cable.
And a battery.
And micro.
and well, i`ve started :)
Had to build a cnc router to make the body bits.
Now thats working the skys the limit.

RevBryce
08-12-2009, 04:59 AM
Oh and just so people know how messed the laws are here.
I can not own a ruger mini 10 cause its semi-auto
But i can own a Boys anti tank gun 50 cal because its not a semi -auto.
Pump action shotgun NO.
Pump action centre fire anything No problems.
Oh and no airsoft and i need a permit for my crossman bb plinker.

Noodle
08-12-2009, 07:03 AM
Ahh the problem of getting my mech to work with fake guns isnt a problem .
I already have two of the tank guns and a couple of pistols (shhh dont tell )
They`re not that hard to get here.
The real problem would be at an event.
The last thing we need is a bust .
But then again the mechs could hold them off so the we could escape.:veryhappy:
Hows the situation in other places, like UK?
Australia can`t be the only place with messed up laws.
And my mech walks....sort of just need to get rid of the damed
serial cable.
And a battery.
And micro.
and well, i`ve started :)
Had to build a cnc router to make the body bits.
Now thats working the skys the limit.
:O Where'd you get your BB guns from?

RevBryce
08-12-2009, 08:03 AM
Tank guns, you can buy a tank from ebay.
Just look under radio control and tank.
I`ve had no problems getting these as i had to
get a couple for a tafe project.
I got one of the pistols from a mate.
The other i got from the local trash and treasure market.
Also got a tank from there, bloody thing was huge at
about 70cm long and it had a gun to boot.

RevBryce
08-12-2009, 08:08 AM
Oh yeah with the tanks you also get a couple of gearboxs and motors.
Always handy to have. :D

darkback2
08-12-2009, 08:09 AM
you should all say your designing robots for cane toad womping. (poor cane toads. :( ) They should let you have a fire arms license for that right!? Heck...you may even be able to get a research grant for it!

DB

RevBryce
08-12-2009, 03:33 PM
Cane toads, rabbits. pigs, camels, cats, dogs we got so
many ferials its not funny.
I did see somewhere ages ago that someone did set up
a turret with motion senceing to shot the toads.
I also know a lot of people use them for golf pactice.;)
but the way our goverments work here i would be locked up
just for suggesting it.

RevBryce
08-13-2009, 05:55 AM
For todays post.
My mech now has a blueSmirf for a pilot.
http://shed-of-doom.blogspot.com/

RevBryce
08-13-2009, 06:31 AM
As per the advice from Noodle i have a 174 gm lump of
pewter on top of fluffy (temp name) and it still walks!
looks like the serial cable (replaced with a Smirf) was
putting about the same load on it, but now the load
is even it dosn`t fall to one side.
I sould have gone wireless ages ago.
So any advice on batterys?

nagmier
08-13-2009, 08:48 AM
LiPoly if you can afford them again all about weight

darkback2
08-13-2009, 09:35 AM
I sould have gone wireless ages ago.
So any advice on batterys?

Li-poly is a great suggestion, also, consider moving your battery/batteries to the feet. It will make your bot more stable, and help with lowering your COG. Check out Manny's design...and giger and zog while your at it...figure your going to need a lot of power...

DB

lnxfergy
08-13-2009, 10:12 AM
Moving the weight to the feet doesn't always work, it really depends on where the rest of your weight is. Once you have the mech gear loaded, it's probably a good idea, but it appears that this bot is still very light up top, and putting the batteries in the feet may actually make it so it cannot walk.... It's all about weight distribution.

-Fergs

RevBryce
08-13-2009, 04:06 PM
G`day all again.
Umm this is proberly in another thread but
what size batt are people using?
2200 mah looks about the size and wieght i need
but as i`ve never run this many servos before
i have no idea how long that will last.
And yes i know that its not that easy as everyones
bots seems to be differant ,
Just looking for a rough idea.

lnxfergy
08-13-2009, 04:43 PM
Depends on the bot. We'd really need to know more about the bot to say. Even then, it's sort of guessing. I'd say carry as much as you can without overloading the servos.

-Fergs

RevBryce
08-30-2009, 05:29 AM
Fluffy can now walk and has a torso with extra servo for the weapon (tba).
so the next question is what sort of weapon i can use?
Australian, so airsoft can only be used for underground matchs (shhh dont tell anyone)
So its looking like lazers are the way to go for the moment.
Had a mess around with cds thingys also tried LEDs as a target and they read ok at about
1.3 volts, so i was thinking as they`re very light we could put them all over the mech
and have the target system read how long they are hit for to get the over heating bit
like the game. seems like a workable idea for us who by law cant use the fun toys.
Any throughts?
Oh and i saw an ad for nerf guns here and the projectiles had suction cups on them and i was
wondering if a target plate gets hit with one and it stuck would the movement of walking
regerster as hits when it wobbled?

http://shed-of-doom.blogspot.com/
if you watch the vid don`t pick on its walk yet, i know its a slug so far.

RevBryce
08-30-2009, 02:51 PM
Also the battery i`m using is 2300mah li/po thats really small 65mm x 40mm x 35mm.
Last night i was using it for about an hour and had no problem.
It`s mounted inside the torso but off centre to where the weapon will be
so hopefully it will be balenced ,but it dosnt seem to make much of a differance
where it is so far.
As i`ll proberly go with a set of lazers i dont think weapon wieght is going to be a problem.
Cam and brain thats another storey.
Also starting to think about vacforming body shells for it.
Once i get a cam ,i want it behind a shell so i can paint the inside to look like its looking through
windows and maybe some gauges.
That bit is really easy for me because thats what i do for a job.

darkback2
08-30-2009, 04:31 PM
I know airsoft is pretty much out for you guys, but what about nerf guns? I know the weight to ammo ratio will pretty much suck, but if you build a robust enough quad or hex weight wouldn't be too much of an issue.

Just a thought.

DB

RevBryce
08-31-2009, 06:04 AM
I think i have found a way around the airsoft problem;)
http://www.instructables.com/id/Pedal-Powered-Tennis-Ball-Launcher/
just have to make a mini version and see what happens.
Now what motor to use hmmmmmm.